Got Christ?

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For other evangelical Christians...a great improvement over the original.

"Believe on" is accurate...from the KJV...which was chosen over other translations due to the faithfulness to the original idea; that of trusting, not just intellectual ascent.

If you haven't already done so, and have the time, why not send KDE-LOOK an email thanking them for allowing a variety of work? Thanks!
Last changelog:

15 years ago

Replaced "glowing steel" effect with regular drop shadow.

Added second paper.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

You DID say *Keep it to yourself*. That is what I'm addressing.

To *keep it to myself* is a direct conflict with the charge given believers. You are assuming, I think, that CHristanity is a "private" thing. Personal, not private.

It's not.

Tim

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skirst

15 years ago

What the hell are you talking about? Are you sure you are responding to my post?

"Why not? Jesus Christ died for my(our) sin in public, nailed to a cross, naked, beaten and scourged beyond recognition. He wasn't ashamed to do that for me (us), and I am not ashamed of Him!"
What does any of that have to do with what I posted? You believe in Jesus. Great. Grand. Whatever. We are all aware of that fact. Do you want a friggin medal or something?

"If this offends you, God bless you. I'm not angry at you and if I saw you and you needed help I'd give it to you."
I'm not offended by your beliefs or your artwork. I don't know what it was in my post that made you think that I could be.

All I was saying is, censorship is never a good thing for whatever reason. But to post stuff like you have (Judea-Christian themed material) at a place like this (a public forum where not everyone shares the same ideas) is bound to cause trouble. It always has and it always will. I think you of all people know this due to the amount of 'retaliation' material posted here lately in direct response to your work. I come here looking for quality material for my desktop. And lately this place has been chock full of crappy artwork posted by people that just want to get a cheap-shot in on that christian guys work, and then the christian guys buddy has to post somethign equally as horrid to get back at him. Let that process run for a couple of weeks and this place will turn into a literal garbage dump. Religion is always a very touchy topic will almost always errupt into an all out war when openly expressed at a place like this. Be the bigger man and recognize that fact. Post your material in a more appropriate forum. One that you know is full of people that share your ideas or are at least curious about them. Not here. It is totally irresponsible in my opinion. Thanks.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Three things:

My work is what I am responsible for. I am NOT responsible for retaliatory work, which is the decision of other individuals. Nor am I responsible for posts entered as arguments. However, if I am asked a reasonable question, I will answer it.

Second. This is an "open" board...and there is a group here that wants the work. Just as others want some of the other *controversial* stuff.

Thirdly, I reject "non-offense" as a criteria for appropriateness. Frankly, too many people have skins for everything but themselves!

I could cry about alot of stuff I see on here, but I don't. I have *yet* to post one negative comment for anything on KDE-LOOK. It's a choice. If you don't like it, pass it by!

Thanks,

Tim

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newLux

15 years ago

I started coming to this site before I even had
linux installed on my system. A few days
later, some guy, which I hadn't seen post
anything before, started putting up pictures
that I found quite ugly. I however did not
bash him for not being able to draw. I started
out just about as badly as he did. I tried to
give a few helpful hints that I could think of
and go on my way. I must say, I am not a
super devout Christian and in many ways
I have a lot of problems with the Church of
Christ. However, I have not been posting
anti-christ pictures and I don't think that
anyone should be doing the same if it is
soley for slamming Tim for his art. If you
feel really compeled to make satanic art, I
will simply skip over it. I feel no reason to
jump on you for your beliefs and tell you that
you shouldn't post on this site simply because
of that. In my opinion, that is against the law.
So stop jumping down this poor guys throat
for what or who he believes in, and there
is no point in leaving the site over this. Just
skip over the art and the comments.

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lazychris2000

15 years ago

i agree....i have seen some extremely ugly pictures on this site...know what i do? i click the back button, or, if i see a way to improve on the picture, i will post a *polite* comment saying that 'hey, maybe you could do this part a little different because i think it would look better'. i dont go around saying 'dude, this is the worst thing ive ever seen'. i always thought kdelook was better than that. personally, i agree with Tim in his beleifs. i'll admit that some of his art isnt of the highest quality, but it is getting better.
and about the satanist art that has started circulating throughout kdelook...technically, isnt that doing the same thing that Tim is doing..."forcing their religion on others", according to a few people who voiced their dislike for Tim's artwork. also, when you guys post your anti-Tim propaganda, aren't you guys doing exactly what you are preaching (yes, preaching) about...think about that before you go bashing Tim. you guys (referring to the people posting negative remarks) are a bunch of hypocrites...if you are going to post something, make sure it doesnt go against your beleifs, being dont shove your opinions down my throat.
I looked at the got satan? wallpaper for a comparison to the 'poor quality' of Tim's....hmmm...plain, gray background with a white hand making devil horns, a demon logo stolen from Kennett High School, and the words 'got satan?' in a boring, white font....atleast Tim's wallpapers have cool pictures, for example, Job's Hydrology...that was a really cool picture....i liked the pleiades bound pic, also.
"I cannot believe that so many people seem to be in favor of shuting this guy up." (crazypenguin)...i also am confused as to why everyone gets so angry over a few wallpapers with scripture on them...there is absolutely no reason to be slamming Tim like that! the only reason that i can say about the people who continually slam Tim is you guys are, what fault said in a previous post, "a close-minded bigot". I try to be as open minded as possible, so that i am able to hear someone's beleifs, ideas, or criticism, and say 'ya know, maybe you're right', instead of 'that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard', which is how i am perceiving most of the posts in this thread.
I am glad that Tim has had the balls to post all of his wallpapers and not be discouraged by people who do not agree with him. And i hope that in the future, we will be able to discuss religion like civilized linux users, instead of bickering and arguing like children.
Keep it up, Tim!

Chris

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reignbow

15 years ago

The open source community has always promoted free uttering of opinions (calling wallpapers "speech" is a bit odd, in my opinion). Meaning that we have to bear this guy's missionary attempts with a minimum of grace. Erasing his work would be excessive censorship, and leaving this site permanently just because of him is paying him too much attention.

Fortunately, this stuff is always easily identified and avoided. Also, this is beginning to spawn counter-missionary satanistic art. The first try wasn't all that hot, but I look forward to getting cool pentagrams and arcane symbols to decorate my desktop with. Last but not least, this wannabe missionary isn't all that good an artist - free opinion and all that aside, we can still flame him for making ugly wallpapers. Alternatively, you can maliciously ignore his postings and privately deny his existence.

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Dany-CL

15 years ago

yup. You got it right. Thanks for talking clearly. Dany-CL

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Richardve

15 years ago

That's it.

I'm not interested in visiting a holy religious whatever site.

I'm leaving this place.

Thanks to Frank for making this a great place initially, too bad a few of these fools had to do this.

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fault

15 years ago

I'm not a christian, but at I pride myself that I'm not a close-minded bigot like you.

tolerance is good.. of everything.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Hey! I just checked your submissions and found out you did the Megashira skin for Noatun. I use it! Good work!

Tim

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Chris308

15 years ago

Perhaps this site will be better off without you? I find it funny that those that profess tolerance seem to be the most intolerant. Tim's artwork is progressing very well. Further, I think he is performing a service to the community. I understand that this is a message that many do not want to hear. It makes you uncomfortable. The thought of being held accountable one day for our actions is very scarry. However, art(good & bad) provokes thought. From what I have seen here, Tim's work has done just that.

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avalon

15 years ago

While I have no particular problems with such a wallpaper here, I do think your comment about "The thought of being held accountable one day for our actions is very scarry" is precisely the attitude that turns people off. To each his own. Don't preach. Your way has as much a chance of being right as any other of the million ways that people believe. Preaching only alienates people, unless they already believe the same thing.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

First, in case you didn't notice my reply from the previous, thanks for the Gimp suggestion. I'll try it.

Secondly, please don't take this agressively...but let me quote you and give a response:

"The thought of being held accountable one day for our actions is very scarry" (sic) is precisely the attitude that turns people off."

True. However, would you say this if I were running through your town warning people that a hurricane was coming? (Let's assume you live in Florida). I don't think so. You'd say I was showing that I cared for them.

I've said it before; I'll say it again...and again till people understand...because I have examined sufficient evidence to come to this conclusion; the Scriptures are UNIQUELY accurate. They are reliable as history. They have foretold many events and have been accurate without fail. No, it's not that "the prophecies were written after the fact" because they date from before the event. We believe in the accuracy of Homer's Illiad but it only has 600 manuscripts. Yet the Scriptures have 20,000 or more...and they didn't vary over time.

I said that the Scriptures are UNIQUELY true. This flys in the face of "Tolerance". Well, Tough. "Tolerance" says there are a million ways to "get to god"...that is simply not the case.

Am I trolling? Well, I don't know what the intended meaning of the word as applied to me. All I know is I came here and noticed that there were people who were interested in this kind of work. So, I submit it. At the top of each submission, I tell everyone who my audience is. i don't go around flaming anyone. I don't go in other threads and say anything...unless it is positive...and even that is rare. The only entries are in my own threads, more often than not as replies to questions. That should be perfectly acceptable.

Others are free to choose to respond any way they wish; with taunting wallpapers, etc. But I leave them alone as the rabbit chases they are.

Again, because the written word is tricky and can sound different than intended, don't take this as "agressive" or "personal". And again, thanks for your techical suggestion for Gimp!

Blessings to you,

Tim

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Soyburg

15 years ago

Am I trolling? Well, I don't know what the intended meaning of the word as applied to me.

Excerpt from the "New Hacker's Dictionary"

"To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames."

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timbrown527

15 years ago

About the rest, thanks. And I will go over it. However, I want to ask for clarification...the "transitional" form...this live fish...I assume this represents something re:MACROevolution, not just variation within kind? If so, how do you know? And, what is it a transition from and to...and again, how do you know?

Tnanks, even though you do get my name wrong! :)

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

That's ok...you haven't begun to answer them...No Baconian scientific method, just pictures of a live fish and a story about fossil fragments. No Observation, testing, etc. regarding cell "evolution". but somehow we proclaim it as "fact" per Lewontin. No, you have a theory...and you are taking it by faith! And this is being tought as FACT???

Thanks anyway, and take care...

Tim

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Soyburg

15 years ago

However, I want to ask for clarification...the "transitional" form...this live fish...I assume this represents something re:MACROevolution, not just variation within kind? If so, how do you know? And, what is it a transition from and to...and again, how do you know?

I won't answer any of your questions. Go to the faq at www.talkorigins.org and read it. If you have any questions after that, then I can't help you.

There is a saying about horses and leading them to water. I believe the horse has to decide for itself, wether it is thirsty.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Thanks...that leaves me out!

Tim

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Soyburg

15 years ago

Alright Flanders. I'll try to make this real simple.

1.) The scriptures are not "UNIQUELY" accurate. They are a collection of stories (and yes, they have changed over time. Go to college for christ's sake...). If you choose to believe they are accurate to the last semicolon, well that's fine. Why do you have to convince everybody else that they are?

2.) Never trust a man who writes in uppercase. (Please keep your 50 million $ in your nigerian bank account).

3.) I don't live in Florida, but I believe there are hurricanes. However, I do not believe in any kind of afterlife. Afterlives aren't shown on the weather channel.

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Soyburg:

I have to answer here because the end of this thread has no replyto. May be because we've maxed the number of sublevels.

Yes, you missed my point about irreducable complexity. My point wasn't linking blood clotting to cells. I had a list of questions there.

My question about the cell has to do with "how could the cell have evolved? To even live, it must have all the parts".

Another question: Where did all the information come from for the DNA?

Another question: What evolved first...hunger? The ability to eat? The ability to digest? The ability for the stomach to resist digestive juices?

Another question: How did any living creature live to evolve until clotting evolved?

Do you REALLY believe that everything came from nothing all on it's own? What scientific evidence is this based on?...and evolution claims to be scientific...which I am not claiming for Christianity, which is based on Historical/legal evidence including eyewitness accounts.

My point is very simple: Anything that calls itself "theory" should be able to answer some very basic questions...and evolution is espoused as a "fact".

My allusion to the "Darwin Fish" has to do with the cartoon fish with feet. The implication is that there must be a fish fossil with feet. Where is it? If not, isn't this just a hoax? The Christian fish is based on a REAL fish somewhere.

The more silence I hear to these questions the more convinced I am that evolution is just what the early evolutionists (such as Epicurius) used it as; a religious faith to justify a preferred lifestyle or political agenda.

Richard Lewontin, a leading evolutionary Biochemist said the following. I would ask you to consider it:

‘We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.’

This quote comes from ‘Billions and billions of demons’ in The New York Review, dated January 9, 1997, page 31.

I have other quotes from other leading evolutionists if you'd like them...

Thanks,

Tim

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AresTheImpaler

15 years ago

Jehova Witnesses are not really Christian, they don't preach 100% what it is in the scriptures. So they don't count

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Yeah, "limb fragments" for the "darwin fish"...if you read through to the bottom. Of course, no way of knowing if those fragments all belong to the same thing. Kind of like the pigs tooth ending up in a "missing link" drawing for Nebraska man.

More later...

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

....about the Lewontin article...you've given me evidence that the Jehovah's witnesses (I am not one by any stretch of the imagination) misquoted him on other things. This doesn't deal with the quote I gave you which was by the New York Review...:)

Tim

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timbrown527

15 years ago

Yes, I admit that's a funny looking fish; but that isn't evidence of evolution...just that it is an odd looking fish! Just shows that this is still around, whatever it is. Doesn't have to be transitional or in any Macroevolutional state. It's just a living fish!

Tim

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Soyburg

15 years ago

1.) About Lewontin

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/quote_lewontin.html

2.) About evolution of cells

http://www.vexen.co.uk/life/evo.html

3.) About "Darwin Fish" (or is it fisheses?)

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html

Look at a transitional form which is still around:

http://www.aquarium-berlin.de/Artikel/Fischkunde/fische1.jpg

4.) Again, Christianity is not based on test tubes...but evolution claims to be based on science; hence I ask for scientific answers.

You got them, Flanders. I strongly urge you to read something besides the creationist books that you've been reading. You are ignoring what the majority (majority as in more than 99%) of scientists consider to be hard facts.

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15 years ago

Replaced "glowing steel" effect with regular drop shadow.

Added second paper.

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